Suicide

[Darren]

Do you think it's ok to kill yourself if you find it necessary?


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Personally i don't, i don't want to quit on life like that. There have been times in my life where i've been close to doing it but i think to myself not to quit on life like that.
The only way i'd kill myself is if it were to save someone elses life or if i was in the process of dieing then this was to just speed it up and stop the pain.

[Vampi]

You'll have to give an example. The statement you've posted is a bit vague for an in-depth answer or discussion.

-Vampi

Why, Benny?
Are you suicidal lately?
Do you know someone who is?

*please don't be suicidal, Benny, you know it would kill me, too:[

[Emiko]

I think...Well my mom called me saying she wanted to crash her car into a tree and end her life. To me, that's selfish. Very selfish. She has 2 year old twins she has to take care of. She has something to live for. They need her to support them. They need her to survive. For her to take her life because a guy is being a you-know-what. We warned her about him and she ignored us. Anyway, for her it's selfish but I know how she feels.

For me, this is how I see it myself. I am slightly suicidal. It's getting better, though. I see it as: I don't have anyone who needs me. I have five siblings so they all have each other and their parents. My dad has my sister and his step-kids and my mom has my sister and the twins. Eventually, they would forget me and everything will be back to normal. To me, suicide is an escape from this harsh place we live in. I take things to heart and I hate myself. I always worry about everything and it makes me sick. I can't be around a lot of people without feeling sick. I have no real reason to live, and to me the only reason for living is to die. What else is there?


I suppose my answer is: It depends on where you stand. Life is hard, and sometimes people want to take the easy way out. My dad says it's stupid but I can see how it would be appealing. When you die you don't have to worry about anything else. I dunno.....

[Vampi]

I think...Well my mom called me saying she wanted to crash her car into a tree and end her life. To me, that's selfish. Very selfish. She has 2 year old twins she has to take care of. She has something to live for. They need her to support them. They need her to survive. For her to take her life because a guy is being a you-know-what. We warned her about him and she ignored us. Anyway, for her it's selfish but I know how she feels.

For me, this is how I see it myself. I am slightly suicidal. It's getting better, though. I see it as: I don't have anyone who needs me. I have five siblings so they all have each other and their parents. My dad has my sister and his step-kids and my mom has my sister and the twins. Eventually, they would forget me and everything will be back to normal. To me, suicide is an escape from this harsh place we live in. I take things to heart and I hate myself. I always worry about everything and it makes me sick. I can't be around a lot of people without feeling sick. I have no real reason to live, and to me the only reason for living is to die. What else is there?


I suppose my answer is: It depends on where you stand. Life is hard, and sometimes people want to take the easy way out. My dad says it's stupid but I can see how it would be appealing. When you die you don't have to worry about anything else. I dunno.....

For your mom to be telling you something like that is entirely inappropriate. Parents have to hold up a strong front, and letting us into that world is damaging. It's like seeing your Dad cry...it's just wrong, in a way. It's not wrong as in offensive, but as in something that is out of the norm.

The way you view your life and suicide is nothing new, many people view life and death in this manner. I'm not putting it off as "normal', but I'm telling you you're not alone:]

But you don't even realize how you change people with EVERYTHING you do, EVERYTHING. Honestly, give me an statement, and I could show you how it could impact the lives of five people...with just one action.

here, we'll go with you posting what you posted: I'm writing you back about it, supporting you and your statement, and shaping how I deal with suicidal people and how better to help them.

I'll be more able to help someone in the future.

That person who lives instead of dies has children.

their children become political leaders, stars, etc.

They touch thousands of people.

someone is inspired by them.

That person influences their friends and family...

the list just goes on.

any little decision you make changes the world, literally!


The thing that helped me through my dark times was the simple phrase: it's only as dark as you make it. (freakin' Atreyu rocks) Every photo has it's negative, but you also have to look at the BIG picture.

Life is bursting with opportunity, you just have to be open to it!
Viva la Vida, baby!


:peace:
-Vampi

[WickedlyNate]

The only way i'd kill myself is if it were to save someone elses life or if i was in the process of dieing then this was to just speed it up and stop the pain.

I agree with that part.


For your mom to be telling you something like that is entirely inappropriate. Parents have to hold up a strong front, and letting us into that world is damaging. It's like seeing your Dad cry...it's just wrong, in a way. It's not wrong as in offensive, but as in something that is out of the norm.

The way you view your life and suicide is nothing new, many people view life and death in this manner. I'm not putting it off as "normal', but I'm telling you you're not alone:]

But you don't even realize how you change people with EVERYTHING you do, EVERYTHING. Honestly, give me an statement, and I could show you how it could impact the lives of five people...with just one action.

here, we'll go with you posting what you posted: I'm writing you back about it, supporting you and your statement, and shaping how I deal with suicidal people and how better to help them.

I'll be more able to help someone in the future.

That person who lives instead of dies has children.

their children become political leaders, stars, etc.

They touch thousands of people.

someone is inspired by them.

That person influences their friends and family...

the list just goes on.

any little decision you make changes the world, literally!


The thing that helped me through my dark times was the simple phrase: it's only as dark as you make it. (freakin' Atreyu rocks) Every photo has it's negative, but you also have to look at the BIG picture.

Life is bursting with opportunity, you just have to be open to it!
Viva la Vida, baby!


:peace:
-Vampi


I agree.
You honestly couldn't have said it better Vampi.
:)

[XDanielleX]

Well, I've thought about it but I'm too wimpy to carry it through. :/ Also, I thought about the people I'd hurt.
I agree with Benny; only if you're dying anyway or if it's to save someone else's life (like Harry Potter!).

[Nathan]

No sympathy for anybody who does it.
Think of all the people dying who dont want to? Cancer, Aids, etc.

[Sky So Blue]

No sympathy for anybody who does it.

I feel sympathy and empathy mix together when I hear stories of suicide.

~Fragile lives~

I'm fascinated by suicide notes; the last written words before he or she extinguishes the life light.

And now, in keeping with Channel 40's policy of always bringing you the latest in blood and guts, in living color, you're about to see another first - an attempted suicide.
Shot herself during broadcast.
~~ Chris Chubbuck, newscaster, d. July 15, 1974

Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your altar. Please keep going Courtney, for Frances for her life will be so much happier without me. I LOVE YOU. I LOVE YOU.
Suicide note.
~~ Kurt Cobain, musician, d. April 8, 1994

And so I leave this world, where the heart must either break or turn to lead.
Suicide note.
~~ Nicolas-Sebastien Chamfort, French writer, d. 1794

[Emiko]

Thanks Vampi. I know it was wrong for my mom to tell me that, but my parents usually lay stuff like that on me. I try to help. I have seen my dad cry, too, and I tried to fix that. I can't stand seeing anyone in pain, so I try to help. Also, my dad always tells me I shouldn't have kids. He says he wouldn't. "Look at the world we live in. No kid should have to grow up in this." That's what he says. I do want children, when the time comes, but I don't want to put them through a world that's only going to get worse. Like I said, i'm getting better. I'm happy now and I want to help people. It gives me something to live for.

[Darren]

You'll have to give an example. The statement you've posted is a bit vague for an in-depth answer or discussion.

-Vampi

Why, Benny?
Are you suicidal lately?
Do you know someone who is?

*please don't be suicidal, Benny, you know it would kill me, too:[


Let me rephrase my question then: If you thought your life sucked the hell out of suckyness and you think there's no reason to live... Would you agree it's ok to kill yourself?



No i've not been suicidal lately hahaa, I don't believe in giving up on life so easily. God gave us a chance in life and i'd rather not throw it away, if i die because i want to people should live if they want to...life's not like that unfortunatly.


I just make myself bleed instead, only if i'm in the bitter-most self-hating moods...The pain...she feels good? And by saying this i know alot of you will get pi**ed off at be ut i actually have "F*G" scarred on my arm..twice....taking ages to heal.

[Vampi]

This is a multi-user address:

To Emiko: I'm glad you're pulling yourself through your dark times. That strength in self is a powerful thing, and can be used to make immense change.

To Nate: thanks, dude:]

To SSB: those were...interesting to read. I like that last one, alot. It's poetic, no pun on him being a writer.

To Nathan: Oi. I don't agree with you, but I can understand your point of view. I'm usually very angry at that person for feeling like this, for not letting me try to help them. Sometimes I want to give up on people, but I can't. It's not in my nature to not care about others.

To Benny: sweetheart, this is not good at all:[

I dabbled in that for a bit, but I eventually got out of that stage. I carved a cross into my left hand and right ankle, and a star into my left ankle...but they were things that really scared me. I would think about the significance of what I had just done, and it made me realize that something was just not right with me...that I really needed help.

I had tried psychiatrists and psychologists: they didn't work, it felt too "restricted". I instead joined a counseling group in my school for kids who were poetic/artistic and troubled, and it helped me loads.

I also counselled other kids, because helping others helped ME.


I'm really here for you, Benny, because I've been there before, I've got the scars to prove it...both mentally and emotionally. I'll make a thread to tell you exactly why I'm so wrong, mentally. I'm not crazy, just...I'll never be the same.


I love you, BENNYxSTAR
you're my brother.

-Vampi

[Darren]

To Benny: sweetheart, this is not good at all:[

I dabbled in that for a bit, but I eventually got out of that stage. I carved a cross into my left hand and right ankle, and a star into my left ankle...but they were things that really scared me. I would think about the significance of what I had just done, and it made me realize that something was just not right with me...that I really needed help.

I had tried psychiatrists and psychologists: they didn't work, it felt too "restricted". I instead joined a counseling group in my school for kids who were poetic/artistic and troubled, and it helped me loads.

I also counselled other kids, because helping others helped ME.


I'm really here for you, Benny, because I've been there before, I've got the scars to prove it...both mentally and emotionally. I'll make a thread to tell you exactly why I'm so wrong, mentally. I'm not crazy, just...I'll never be the same.


I love you, BENNYxSTAR
you're my brother.

-Vampi

I first started doing it back in school...i was bullied by everyone and no-one knew about my sexuality except some randomers over the internet. I stopped eventually because of my friend Claire, she wasn't happy about it and i couldn't bare losing her as a friend.

XXX isn't the only marking i've made lately...but i'm not going into that. I used to go see a psychologist at school which helped me with many issues other than my depression, i don't want to see one now...it'll be a waste of time!

I believe i know why i'm so angry at myself lately, i'm very lonely. In all of the 6 years of being gay...i've never had one real relationship, i've had one's that last about a couple days..literally and i've had a few tricks (i hate tricks...after the trick the guy NEVER calls you and he avoids you..i always want more than a simple trick..but guys aren't interested). Guys aren't interested in me they never have and never will be..not aslong as i look like this!! I've tried losing weight....but it never works. I feel so ugly because i'm so damn lonely =/


I've learnt in my days that gay men aren't interested in anything more than sex. Thus is why i hate being gay! The few that do actually find me attractive are in the likes of america and of course they've only seen photoshopped pictures of my face....joys.



It's funny how everytime i cut myself it's after i guy i really want but i know i can't have him.



P.S. BROTHA FROM ANOTHER MOTHA

[Nathan]

Think about what you're typing Benny, not ALL Gay Men are only interested in sex.
I'm not, and i'm pretty sure there's a lot of others who arent.
You cant use your experiences with a handful of gay men to cast a generalisation over all gay men, it just isnt fair.

The same can be said for straight men and straight women... There's bound to be some that are interested in sex and sex only.

The important thing is is that you do what you feel comfortable doing. If you want the sex, go for it. If you dont - dont do it.

You'll find someone interested in you if you way long enough. If you rush into things then you'll most likely get hurt. You just have to be patient and let him find you, and, when you do, no doubt you'll be extremely happy.

I do believe theres more than one person out there for each of us. You just have to be patient.

[Vampi]

I first started doing it back in school...i was bullied by everyone and no-one knew about my sexuality except some randomers over the internet. I stopped eventually because of my friend Claire, she wasn't happy about it and i couldn't bare losing her as a friend.

XXX isn't the only marking i've made lately...but i'm not going into that. I used to go see a psychologist at school which helped me with many issues other than my depression, i don't want to see one now...it'll be a waste of time!

I believe i know why i'm so angry at myself lately, i'm very lonely. In all of the 6 years of being gay...i've never had one real relationship, i've had one's that last about a couple days..literally and i've had a few tricks (i hate tricks...after the trick the guy NEVER calls you and he avoids you..i always want more than a simple trick..but guys aren't interested). Guys aren't interested in me they never have and never will be..not aslong as i look like this!! I've tried losing weight....but it never works. I feel so ugly because i'm so damn lonely =/


I've learnt in my days that gay men aren't interested in anything more than sex. Thus is why i hate being gay! The few that do actually find me attractive are in the likes of america and of course they've only seen photoshopped pictures of my face....joys.



It's funny how everytime i cut myself it's after i guy i really want but i know i can't have him.



P.S. BROTHA FROM ANOTHER MOTHA



Oh, that made me cry.
That hurts my heart for you.


Helping yourself is never a waste of time, especially when you really do need it. I'm not saying: "Benny, you're a basket case, get help", I'm saying: "Benny, you deserve to be happy, let someone help you".

I know the relationships you're talking about. I've never been in one such as that, but that's only because I'm much too reserved to let someone in like that. Even if I like someone, I hold back on telling them because I'm protecting my heart. I trust no one with it, not really. My last two relationships have ended with ME telling THEM it wouldn't work...because I don't want to give my heart to someone I can't be sure deserves it.


Benny: seriously, stop trying to change. From what I've seen of you, you're a beautiful young man with a big heart. Your Mr. Right just isn't a part of your life yet...who knows? Maybe God intends on you finding him here, in America.

If I could be a gay man for you, I totally would be, because you're everything in a lover a person could want or need. Don't hate being gay, don't hate being yourself. If you were straight, I'd snatch you up and never let you go, and because you're my friend, I'll always do my part to try and help you, to protect you.


I HATE knowing you're in pain.
I HATE not being able to be there, to hold you and help you.
I HATE that you hate...you.

I'd really like it if you moved here...in fact, I'd love it:]
Confessing your love to a gay guy...interesting concept.



-Vampi

my mom would freakin' love you.
you're totally brill, kidd:]

[Princess.hater]

suicide.... someone said that for someone to commit suicide he/she is selfish? if that person is in pain and thats the only way he thinks he can get help then let him do it... i think its actually the people around him that are more selfish.. because he/she probably cried out for help... and the people around him probably didnt see it or chose not to see it... but then when the person is dead all they think about is... "whats going to happen to me....?"
they dont think back and say "oh he asked for my help and i didnt give it....."

its the people around the suicidal person thats selfish.. not him

[WickedlyNate]

I first started doing it back in school...i was bullied by everyone and no-one knew about my sexuality except some randomers over the internet. I stopped eventually because of my friend Claire, she wasn't happy about it and i couldn't bare losing her as a friend.

XXX isn't the only marking i've made lately...but i'm not going into that. I used to go see a psychologist at school which helped me with many issues other than my depression, i don't want to see one now...it'll be a waste of time!

I believe i know why i'm so angry at myself lately, i'm very lonely. In all of the 6 years of being gay...i've never had one real relationship, i've had one's that last about a couple days..literally and i've had a few tricks (i hate tricks...after the trick the guy NEVER calls you and he avoids you..i always want more than a simple trick..but guys aren't interested). Guys aren't interested in me they never have and never will be..not aslong as i look like this!! I've tried losing weight....but it never works. I feel so ugly because i'm so damn lonely =/


I've learnt in my days that gay men aren't interested in anything more than sex. Thus is why i hate being gay! The few that do actually find me attractive are in the likes of america and of course they've only seen photoshopped pictures of my face....joys.



It's funny how everytime i cut myself it's after i guy i really want but i know i can't have him.



P.S. BROTHA FROM ANOTHER MOTHA




Awe, Benny dear.
I hate the fact that I can't be there to say something to you face to face.
I know it means more, coming from someone who is there in front of you.
But, I'll say it anyway.




Love, I know you are looking for that one person who is going to make everything complete for you, because I'm looking for mine as well.
I promise you he is out there, waiting for you, and he will show up one day.
Until then, you just stay the way you are, because honestly I think you have it backwards. If people don't like you the way you are right now, they are not good enough.
Honestly, if they can't see what you have to offer, they are insane.

You're too good to even consider hurting yourself over someone.

I really want to give you a hug, and I really wish I could tell you how much I mean it.
If you ever need anyone to talk to, I'm here, and you have my messenger.
If international text messages didn't run up my bill, I def. would let you.
=(


I'll buy you a marsh mellow gun if it will help!

[Emiko]

suicide.... someone said that for someone to commit suicide he/she is selfish? if that person is in pain and thats the only way he thinks he can get help then let him do it... i think its actually the people around him that are more selfish.. because he/she probably cried out for help... and the people around him probably didnt see it or chose not to see it... but then when the person is dead all they think about is... "whats going to happen to me....?"
they dont think back and say "oh he asked for my help and i didnt give it....."

its the people around the suicidal person thats selfish.. not him


I was talking about my mother, and I believe she is selfish because she has 4 children that need her. My mother did cry for help before thinking about suicide. I was there for her. I'm always there for her. Even while she was dating that guy. You know WHY no one was there for her? Because she was dating him. He has been to jail several times for drugs, he is in a mafia type thing, he beats women, he is STILL going to court for public indecency with a child. He was a man-***** for a while. He has had three wives that he has beaten. No one wanted her around that and she bitched them out for not giving him a chance. She turned her back on her own family. And even after he dumped her and got another woman the same day my mom's sister took her in. She told my mother that if she got back with Eddie, they wouldn't help her again. What did my mom do? She talked to Eddie. He came to my aunts house with a knife, cussed out my aunt, threatened my uncle, and took my mom with him. Now, to me, she is being selfish. We tried to help her over and over and over again. She turned her back on her family and chose to do what she did. When he broke up with her the, what was it, fifth time? She got suicidal.



But I understand what you are saying. Yea, if a person feels like they need to die and no one helps, everyone else is being selfish, not the person wanting to die, but when they turn their back on the people who are trying to keep them from getting hurt, that's being selfish. That's just what I think.

[Nathan]

I probably wouldnt feel like this if I hadnt had the life experiences that I have had.

If someone kills themselves then i've pretty much no respect for them.
I've lost someone really close to me that really didnt want to die, but cancer killed him.

It's not nice losing someone for no reason, we can all agree on that.

[Darren]

Think about what you're typing Benny, not ALL Gay Men are only interested in sex.
I'm not, and i'm pretty sure there's a lot of others who arent.
You cant use your experiences with a handful of gay men to cast a generalisation over all gay men, it just isnt fair.

The same can be said for straight men and straight women... There's bound to be some that are interested in sex and sex only.

The important thing is is that you do what you feel comfortable doing. If you want the sex, go for it. If you dont - dont do it.

I do apologise...i wasn't thinking when i typed
that post.

I don't like having sex with guys i don't love...there's already been a handful of horny pr*cks who have faced my wrath for trying such things...


Oh, that made me cry.
That hurts my heart for you.


Helping yourself is never a waste of time, especially when you really do need it. I'm not saying: "Benny, you're a basket case, get help", I'm saying: "Benny, you deserve to be happy, let someone help you".

I know the relationships you're talking about. I've never been in one such as that, but that's only because I'm much too reserved to let someone in like that. Even if I like someone, I hold back on telling them because I'm protecting my heart. I trust no one with it, not really. My last two relationships have ended with ME telling THEM it wouldn't work...because I don't want to give my heart to someone I can't be sure deserves it.


Benny: seriously, stop trying to change. From what I've seen of you, you're a beautiful young man with a big heart. Your Mr. Right just isn't a part of your life yet...who knows? Maybe God intends on you finding him here, in America.

If I could be a gay man for you, I totally would be, because you're everything in a lover a person could want or need. Don't hate being gay, don't hate being yourself. If you were straight, I'd snatch you up and never let you go, and because you're my friend, I'll always do my part to try and help you, to protect you.


I HATE knowing you're in pain.
I HATE not being able to be there, to hold you and help you.
I HATE that you hate...you.

I'd really like it if you moved here...in fact, I'd love it:]
Confessing your love to a gay guy...interesting concept.



-Vampi

my mom would freakin' love you.
you're totally brill, kidd:]

You seriously make me laugh Haha.

I don't want to open up to a stranger....It's not really got a good feeling to it...more heart from someone you know.

I broke up with my last guy because he cancelled to see me because "apparently" his mother forced him to go on a 'playdate' (in the technical term) with my half-cousin...Sorry if you'd rather listen to your mom and see my half-cousin then you shouldn't date me. (we only saw each other a few times during the period we went out).

I love your attempts at persuading me to come to america xDDD But yea there is this one guy....who i REALLY like from america...idk if he likes me back =/

You know....there IS a way you can become a man ;DDD but yea....lack of sperm would be an issue.

You'd make an excellent best friend.



suicide.... someone said that for someone to commit suicide he/she is selfish? if that person is in pain and thats the only way he thinks he can get help then let him do it... i think its actually the people around him that are more selfish.. because he/she probably cried out for help... and the people around him probably didnt see it or chose not to see it... but then when the person is dead all they think about is... "whats going to happen to me....?"
they dont think back and say "oh he asked for my help and i didnt give it....."

its the people around the suicidal person thats selfish.. not him

It is selfish because by killing themselves they are hurting everyone around them Family, friends and perhaps the odd nemisis.

Do you know what it is like to ave someone very close to you die? I do, two friends of mine...one who was a smoker where involved in a barnfire accident, I cried for weeks & so did everyone at school.

Smoking kills, seriously.


Awe, Benny dear.
I hate the fact that I can't be there to say something to you face to face.
I know it means more, coming from someone who is there in front of you.
But, I'll say it anyway.



Love, I know you are looking for that one person who is going to make everything complete for you, because I'm looking for mine as well.
I promise you he is out there, waiting for you, and he will show up one day.
Until then, you just stay the way you are, because honestly I think you have it backwards. If people don't like you the way you are right now, they are not good enough.
Honestly, if they can't see what you have to offer, they are insane.

You're too good to even consider hurting yourself over someone.

I really want to give you a hug, and I really wish I could tell you how much I mean it.
If you ever need anyone to talk to, I'm here, and you have my messenger.
If international text messages didn't run up my bill, I def. would let you.
=(


I'll buy you a marsh mellow gun if it will help!

A hug would be great, i can't wait to see my friends again...thanks to work i am suffering from hug withdrawl syndrome .___.

Hug? Yea?

The journey to finding "him" will be long and hard indeed ¬___¬

I can't be "too good" for that many people >__<

I wouldn't waste the money if i were you haha.


I probably wouldnt feel like this if I hadnt had the life experiences that I have had.

If someone kills themselves then i've pretty much no respect for them.
I've lost someone really close to me that really didnt want to die, but cancer killed him.

It's not nice losing someone for no reason, we can all agree on that. I agree with you, one of my friends that i've been to school with since we were little was diagnosed with cancer just over a year ago =[

[Vampi]

I probably wouldnt feel like this if I hadnt had the life experiences that I have had.

If someone kills themselves then i've pretty much no respect for them.
I've lost someone really close to me that really didnt want to die, but cancer killed him.

It's not nice losing someone for no reason, we can all agree on that.


Ooh, cancer. My dad had cancer, but we got it early. He's alright now:]


I think suicide being selfish would really depend on the circumstance.

Apparently, there are many people at this forum who are willing to help and support someone who is suicidal. We may not be "trained" to deal with it, but I'm pretty sure, reading a few responses here, that we could probably help someone.

-Vampi

[Princess.hater]

I was talking about my mother, and I believe she is selfish because she has 4 children that need her. My mother did cry for help before thinking about suicide. I was there for her. I'm always there for her. Even while she was dating that guy. You know WHY no one was there for her? Because she was dating him. He has been to jail several times for drugs, he is in a mafia type thing, he beats women, he is STILL going to court for public indecency with a child. He was a man-***** for a while. He has had three wives that he has beaten. No one wanted her around that and she bitched them out for not giving him a chance. She turned her back on her own family. And even after he dumped her and got another woman the same day my mom's sister took her in. She told my mother that if she got back with Eddie, they wouldn't help her again. What did my mom do? She talked to Eddie. He came to my aunts house with a knife, cussed out my aunt, threatened my uncle, and took my mom with him. Now, to me, she is being selfish. We tried to help her over and over and over again. She turned her back on her family and chose to do what she did. When he broke up with her the, what was it, fifth time? She got suicidal.



But I understand what you are saying. Yea, if a person feels like they need to die and no one helps, everyone else is being selfish, not the person wanting to die, but when they turn their back on the people who are trying to keep them from getting hurt, that's being selfish. That's just what I think.

well in that case... i guess its different... but maybe she really believed she can change that guy.. i dont know.. no one can really know what was going on in her head... but if she's suicidal then i guess the only thing you can do is try to help them... not blame them and say they're being selfish... that might push them into a box more :C

yeah i understand what you are saying and i respect it. :D







It is selfish because by killing themselves they are hurting everyone around them Family, friends and perhaps the odd nemisis.

Do you know what it is like to ave someone very close to you die? I do, two friends of mine...one who was a smoker where involved in a barnfire accident, I cried for weeks & so did everyone at school.

Smoking kills, seriously.

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yes benny i actually do know what its like to have people close to me die.. from suicide too... my 2 best friends decided to kill themselves at the same time... it sucked... a few friends an i knew they were suicidal.. and we tried to help them... they accepted our help but it didnt work :C

yeah smoking does kill... thats why i quit :D
sorry about your friends though

[PestimisticAngel]

I dont think that people should kill themselves but at the same point in time sometimes things are so conflicting and troublesome in life.

I do think that it is selfish of the people around the suicidal person to just brush off and think nothing of there cries for / of help.


I guess yea it is kinda selfish also this time of the suicidal person to ignore the people around them helping hands, advice, positive, and constructive input.

The act it self of suicide is selfish may be not nesecerely the person though sometimes we have certain expectations certain things that we want and crave in life but we dont get it no matter how much in put we might put in or hard work and strategizing may be it's cause the in put is wrong may be because it isnt meant to be, so then we have to move on to doing something else some other goal or future achievements that we want out of life sometimes though we have everything that we want from life but then things slowly start to disappear and fade away that can be scary lossing everything you've ever known, done, saw, experienced.

However depending on the persons situation the person them self might be selfish like if they have a ill mother or relative to take care of or children or young relatives.

[System Malfunction]

A while ago... I would have taken up any chance to kill myself. One time I had tried to hang myself but lucky for me some one walked in on me and ended it at that, back then I could have done it if I wanted to but now days I think there is just to many good things in life to have something effect you so bad.
Little piece of advice and also one of my most commonly used sayings:
Even though it's cloudy outside,
that don't mean the sun ain't still shining.

You always have to just look on the brightside of things and there will ALWAYS be a bright side to any situation.
I think if your willing to kill yourself
you should be willing to talk to some one about it
and they should be willing to listen.
and for any reason they don't, don't surround yourself with people like that.

[AleksandraStar]

i do have feel bad for people that actually end up committing suicide i have seen people lose their friends to suicide i was there when they got the news,and for weeks after,Its the hardest thing to do,lose someone you love.I will NEVER judge a person who may be suicidal i will never say that suicide is the easy way out,because in reality its not.

When you try and commit suicide the only thoughts that run through your mind are not"oh god i cant wait for this to be over"

for me its usually "what will my friends think when they find out?""what will everyone think?"

"are they going to be ok?"

I never considered suicide until this year,or i guess 2007,it all started when i came back from Russia in October.A Lot of things happened when i was down there which made me realize on how much i missed my home and how alone i felt living here. it was the first time i saw my best friend in 2 years.And well our visit didn't end as well as i hoped.Our good byes were shared over a phone.He couldn't stand to see me in person.It was hard for him and i understand.

When i came back,i told my closest friends about my 6 years of molestation which was very hard,and i dont know when people found out,i turned into a poor little girl to them,they all looked at me differently.

I remember when one of my guy friends wanted to know what was wrong,because Chantel and i wouldn't talk to anyone,because i just had to tell a room full of people about me "experience" just to save someone from committing suicide.He wasn't there,but when Chantel told him.I remember his face,i remember every tear rolling down his face.I remember the look in his eyes.I remember him saying these dreadful words to me in my ear while he was holding me so tight without letting go for even a second"i will never ever make another joke towards you,im so sorry,i will never say anything mean".I remember him kissing me because he felt the need to do so,to make himself feel better.I hated him at that moment didn't want anything to change.

I think that day everything broke for me.I went into depression and perfectly for me i was on painkillesr at a time for an infection.My friends noticed my change, i was going a little over board with the pills.And my friends threatened to take me to a doctor.They told me if i say another word about it,they would drag me out of the school in a middle of the class without caring what people thought.From that day i was watched all the time.My friends would either call me or text me all the time.My parents didnt know.But i have to say i think i made a huge mistake then and i see it now.I am happy right now,i really am,i couldnt ask for better friends.and better relationship than i have right now.


Sorry for it being so long.

[Princess.hater]

dont be sorry... everyone's opinion matters

[PestimisticAngel]

i do have feel bad for people that actually end up committing suicide i have seen people lose their friends to suicide i was there when they got the news,and for weeks after,Its the hardest thing to do,lose someone you love.I will NEVER judge a person who may be suicidal i will never say that suicide is the easy way out,because in reality its not.

When you try and commit suicide the only thoughts that run through your mind are not"oh god i cant wait for this to be over"

for me its usually "what will my friends think when they find out?""what will everyone think?"

"are they going to be ok?"

I never considered suicide until this year,or i guess 2007,it all started when i came back from Russia in October.A Lot of things happened when i was down there which made me realize on how much i missed my home and how alone i felt living here. it was the first time i saw my best friend in 2 years.And well our visit didn't end as well as i hoped.Our good byes were shared over a phone.He couldn't stand to see me in person.It was hard for him and i understand.

When i came back,i told my closest friends about my 6 years of molestation which was very hard,and i dont know when people found out,i turned into a poor little girl to them,they all looked at me differently.

I remember when one of my guy friends wanted to know what was wrong,because Chantel and i wouldn't talk to anyone,because i just had to tell a room full of people about me "experience" just to save someone from committing suicide.He wasn't there,but when Chantel told him.I remember his face,i remember every tear rolling down his face.I remember the look in his eyes.I remember him saying these dreadful words to me in my ear while he was holding me so tight without letting go for even a second"i will never ever make another joke towards you,im so sorry,i will never say anything mean".I remember him kissing me because he felt the need to do so,to make himself feel better.I hated him at that moment didn't want anything to change.

I think that day everything broke for me.I went into depression and perfectly for me i was on painkillesr at a time for an infection.My friends noticed my change, i was going a little over board with the pills.And my friends threatened to take me to a doctor.They told me if i say another word about it,they would drag me out of the school in a middle of the class without caring what people thought.From that day i was watched all the time.My friends would either call me or text me all the time.My parents didnt know.But i have to say i think i made a huge mistake then and i see it now.I am happy right now,i really am,i couldnt ask for better friends.and better relationship than i have right now.


Sorry for it being so long. I'm happy that your happy now, and the legth is fine dont worry about it, your lucky that you had friends that cared enough to drag you out of school, all my friends told me were "dont do it" and "what you do with your body is your business I cant stop you I cant always be there." So your truly amazingly blessed with the friends that you have, the school that I went to if you were caught outside when you werent supossed to like if you had a class or lunch you'd get in trouble, I did it a few times but discreetly, I had fun on those outings. Sorry for rambling.

[StalkersAnonymous]

I think its okay to kill yourself . . .
If you want to, it's your choice.
Sure you might be hurting other people,
but it's not their life it's yours.

And yeahh ...in some situations it might be
a shady way to escape your problems undefinatley...
but still it's YOUR life.
Do what you want with it.

[thechickwithpinkhair]

me and my best fruiend had argued on whether its ever ok to commit suicide. she said its never ok and i think that it can be ok in certain situations as an "only way out" kinda thing.
i asked my other friend wut she thought giving an example of an abused woman who couldnt prove that she was being abused as it wasnt physical.

and she said
at least try to find one way to make proof exist, either in pictures or a hidden camera or something.
But if none of that worked, I would kill myself, because in a situation like that death is more plausible than having to live in torment. Think of it this way: if we have a pet that gets hit by a car or injured, and we know they are suffering and in pain, we normally put them to sleep. Wouldn't it sort of be the same way if we stopped that torment ourselves, and put ourself to sleep?



just thought that maybe u could think of it in that kinda of way.
it definitely made me think.

[ryrosaurous]

me and my best fruiend had argued on whether its ever ok to commit suicide. she said its never ok and i think that it can be ok in certain situations as an "only way out" kinda thing.
i asked my other friend wut she thought giving an example of an abused woman who couldnt prove that she was being abused as it wasnt physical.

and she said
at least try to find one way to make proof exist, either in pictures or a hidden camera or something.
But if none of that worked, I would kill myself, because in a situation like that death is more plausible than having to live in torment. Think of it this way: if we have a pet that gets hit by a car or injured, and we know they are suffering and in pain, we normally put them to sleep. Wouldn't it sort of be the same way if we stopped that torment ourselves, and put ourself to sleep?



just thought that maybe u could think of it in that kinda of way.
it definitely made me think.

I agree with you. My friend has a grandpa that committed suicide. He found out he had a disease (it may have been cancer, I forget) and he would eventually die within the months ahead. So he killed himself. He left a note saying that he did it because he didn't want his family to see him suffer. I think that's pretty selfless. So I can't say yes or no to suicide. It all depends on the circumstances.

[Mimi Heartbroken]

reading all of the posts from the third page to here got me more and more frustrated. well... until the last few posts anyways. people saying that it's wrong to kill yourself, that you think they are being selfish. but those people don't really understand. you see someone who killed themselves and you might see a grieving family and think that person was too selfish for doing that to them. but you shouldn't base your opinion on those rumors going around or on what you yourself see. the only way you can really understand is if you see the whole thing through their eyes. they had their reason, they had their pain, and not everyone can be as strong as you.

[PestimisticAngel]

reading all of the posts from the third page to here got me more and more frustrated. well... until the last few posts anyways. people saying that it's wrong to kill yourself, that you think they are being selfish. but those people don't really understand. you see someone who killed themselves and you might see a grieving family and think that person was too selfish for doing that to them. but you shouldn't base your opinion on those rumors going around or on what you yourself see. the only way you can really understand is if you see the whole thing through their eyes. they had their reason, they had their pain, and not everyone can be as strong as you.

Most people are stronger then me so yea

I try to look at things from different points of views though

As I said earlier it sorta depends on the circumstances of everything

[Mimi Heartbroken]

yeah. that's exactly right. i dunno my last post was sort of a ramble. so sorry. but just like when you read a book that has a different point of view in each chapter. you won't understand the book unless you read the whole thing.

[PestimisticAngel]

yeah. that's exactly right. i dunno my last post was sort of a ramble. so sorry. but just like when you read a book that has a different point of view in each chapter. you won't understand the book unless you read the whole thing.
It's all good hun:curl-lip::peace::curl-lip:

[Vampi]

I think its okay to kill yourself . . .
If you want to, it's your choice.
Sure you might be hurting other people,
but it's not their life it's yours.

And yeahh ...in some situations it might be
a shady way to escape your problems undefinatley...
but still it's YOUR life.
Do what you want with it.


This post makes me think about something crazy I heard once...I'm pretty sure it's illegal to commit suicide in America. If you survive suicide, I think they arrest you or put you away, I'm not sure. I can't remember. And Aleks: you're a strong kidd. you've gotten through your experiences thus far, and I'm not going to start babying you now. I can understand that the situation was a difficult one, and I'm glad you're okay...-ish...now, so we'll move on. Good job, girl:]

You can't possibly begin to realize the impact you have on the lives around you until something BIG happens. Trust me, these things do happen, and then BAM! everything changes for you.


-Vampi