Animal Testing

[XDanielleX]

I'm just curious to hear people's opinions on this issue.

Personally, it disgusts me, but I know that a lot of people hold differing views on it.

My family is all in favour of animal testing because they all think that humans are superior to other animals and thus humans shouldn't be tested on, but then again they are all meat-eating carnivores. ;)

So what's your stance on it? Yay or nay?

[WickedlyNate]

Well.
I'm not a vegetarian.
But I believe that animal testing is down right cruel.
If humans are going to make things that have a chance of hurting something, they shouldn't be selfish enough to inflict pain on other creatures.
They should find willing test subjects who know what they are putting themselves through.
Hmph.

[Ryan]

I used to be vegetarian, until the animals in the uk were farmed better and i didnt mind then, they had happy lives :)
Ive seen what they do with the animals for testing and its absolutely disgusting.
It makes me feel sick. I actually want to go to the people that test on animals and take the chemicals theyre using and stick stuff in their eyes and see how they feel.

EDIT: yeh since this post I've gone back to being vegetarian since seeing and reading about nasty stuff :(

[!?cL@!Re?!]

SAY NO TO ANIMAL TESTING!

Haha ok I hate animal testing
I one time read on Peta 2 that they use rats to test like Mars bars
Because i had pet rats I completely went off them and I haven't eaten them since.

But saying that we can't always believe what we hear.

[XDanielleX]

Ewwww! Rats and Mars bars?

Yeuch.

[Anderson]

I am against the testing of cosmetics on animals, hence why i only buy from lush and the body shop. However i think that drugs testing on animals is acceptable.

[ninaYAYA[x]]

I am against the testing of cosmetics on animals, hence why i only buy from lush and the body shop. However i think that drugs testing on animals is acceptable.

I find that kind of opinion pretty duplicitous.
It bothers me when people say things like that - kind of like vegitarians who wear new leather.

First of all - Drugs testing on animals is worse than cosmetics testing!
It damages them far more than cosmetics testing, and is entirely pointless.

After the drugs have been tested on animals (which is highly innacurate because of the DNA differences) they still have to go through human testing.
Technology is advanced to a point where the animal testing processes are entirely unecessary, and can be simulated without much trouble.

The scientific testing is far, far more cruel than the the cosmetics testings. Scientists give animals cancers and diseases - people have grown HUMAN EARS on mice. The animals are treated far worse than those used for cosmetic testings and there are no regulations.

It's not right to sacrifice lives for inaccurate and unnecessary test results.

[Anderson]

Thats lovely but may i remind you that it is my opinion xxxxx
First of all you would probably be dead if we didnt test drugs on animals, furthermore you probably wouldnt even exist.

It isnt entirely pointless, they wouldnt do it if it was now would they, no.
"After the drugs have been tested on animals (which is highly innacurate because of the DNA differences)"
Evolution theory.. read up on it x
"Technology is advanced to a point where the animal testing processes are entirely unecessary"
If so why do we still have disease.. oh thats right we still need them to test on because testing on a human is too dangerous.

"It's not right to sacrifice lives for inaccurate and unnecessary test results."
What do you suggest we test things on then? Computer models arent always correct and accurate. And you can't say we should test on humans because that would contradict what you said there.

Also, "The animals are treated far worse than those used for cosmetic testings and there are no regulations."
So you're agreeing that we should test cosmetics but not drugs.. drugs save lives.. something necessary to help prevent death and suffering of the superior species.

By the way it may not be clear to you but the animals that are tested on only exist to be tested on, that is their sole purpose.
Youre one harsh piece of work if you dont want to find a cure for cancer, you make me physically sick.

[Darren]

In my opinion animal testing is wrong, there is no justice in hurting innocent defenseless animals. Just because we can test on them doesn't mean we should. If there are products to be tested for our personal use then they should be tested on us!

I'm also a vegetarian, i don't eat animals, i don't use animal products (that harm or kill the animal - e.g. milk being a product i do use as not milking a cow causes discomfort for it). I'm almost vegan apart from the milk, cheese and chocolate part xD

Chocolate <3

[ninaYAYA[x]]

May I remind you that flaming is against the rules on this forum.
If you're going to take topic discussion personally, and flame people for disagreeing with you, I suggest you find somewhere else to vent.

"First of all you would probably be dead if we didnt test drugs on animals, furthermore you probably wouldnt even exist."

Not only is that not a valid point, for which you supply no evidence, but it's not even gramatically correct.

"It isnt entirely pointless, they wouldnt do it if it was now would they, no."

Once again, you're supplying no evidence.
You're also wrong.
The reason they do it isn't because they don't have any other way, it's because they don't want to spend money on other forms of testing.
It's cheaper for them to test on animals. That's the only reason it still gets done.



"Evolution theory.. read up on it x"

Just because we're evolved from animals, doesn't make us genetically identical. There are still differences and these differences are sometimes key, otherwise we'd be exactly the same as they are, and testing wouldn't have to be continued on humans after the animals have been tested on.

Secondly, the key word is theory - as in unproven.

I actually probably know more about the Darwinian theory of evolution than you do. Charles Darwin is one of my personal favourite scientists. Don't attempt to patronize me. It's insulting and unecessary.



"If so why do we still have disease.. oh thats right we still need them to test on because testing on a human is too dangerous."

Animal testing does NOTHING to eradicate disease... Nothing at all.
Also, I said TECHNOLOGY, not the human race. By which I mean COMPUTERS. Computers can more accurately generate test results (on human DNA) than practical results gleaned from animal tests.


"What do you suggest we test things on then? Computer models arent always correct and accurate. And you can't say we should test on humans because that would contradict what you said there."

Actually, saying that we should test on humans WOULDN'T contradict my statement. The tests are done for the BENEFIT of the human race. Any humans involved in testing would give CONSENT and the human testing would actually be ACCURATE.

And no, they're not always correct, but they are considerably more correct than animal data - which is as varied as the individual animals themselves.. They would still need to be tested on humans (as they are anyway).


"Also, "The animals are treated far worse than those used for cosmetic testings and there are no regulations."
So you're agreeing that we should test cosmetics but not drugs.. drugs save lives.. something necessary to help prevent death and suffering of the superior species."

No, I'm not saying that, at all. I don't agree with cosmetic testing in any way, I was merely pointing out that the animals used for scientific testing are treated much worse, because you said that you didn't agree with cosmetic testing.

Also, as for the term "Superior Species", I think you'll find that highly inaccurate. You may feel that you're superior to animals, but that doesn't make it true. The value of all life is equal, and all living creatures have the right to life. Just because we have the ability to test on animals, doesn't mean we should.

"By the way it may not be clear to you but the animals that are tested on only exist to be tested on, that is their sole purpose.
Youre one harsh piece of work if you dont want to find a cure for cancer, you make me physically sick."

No, they don't. Animals would be born whether they were born in labs or not. Their "purpose" then, would have been to LIVE.
The same purpose as anyone else.

And as for that last statement... It's not only completely unfounded but also highly insulting.

[Darren]

Thats lovely but may i remind you that it is my opinion xxxxx
First of all you would probably be dead if we didnt test drugs on animals, furthermore you probably wouldnt even exist.

I'm sorry but i just read this after i made my post and i have to say this is all rediculous.

That first statement is false, back before there we medicines in the form of a pill ect people used herbs ect to treat various problems with health (admittedly not all but neither do drugs). Thanks to herbal techniques and such humans have been able to survive up to the point where we could make and develop new drugs.


It isnt entirely pointless, they wouldnt do it if it was now would they, no.
"After the drugs have been tested on animals (which is highly innacurate because of the DNA differences)"
Evolution theory.. read up on it x
"Technology is advanced to a point where the animal testing processes are entirely unecessary"
If so why do we still have disease.. oh thats right we still need them to test on because testing on a human is too dangerous.

I hope you realise that DNA and evolution are two seperate factors? As years go by many species go through the stage of evolution (some further than others). Evolution takes place so that a particular specie can evolve into a form which enables them to survive in their particular enviornment.

Sadly thanks to evolution every specie has an entirely different DNA structure, the closest DNA structure to a human's is an ape's and even then it's still way off from ours.

"It's not right to sacrifice lives for inaccurate and unnecessary test results."
What do you suggest we test things on then? Computer models arent always correct and accurate. And you can't say we should test on humans because that would contradict what you said there.

Nina never said we shouldn't test on humans, sure computer models aren't 100% accurate but neither is testing on animals (which one is safer?). Another big difference from testing on humans and animals is that the humans that get tested on volunteered and are likely to be paid for it...Animals don't get that though.


Also, "The animals are treated far worse than those used for cosmetic testings and there are no regulations."
So you're agreeing that we should test cosmetics but not drugs.. drugs save lives.. something necessary to help prevent death and suffering of the superior species.

May i just ask that what part of that quotation do you get "I agree to test cosmetics on animals."? She said that testing drugs on animals is worse than testing cosmetics on animals, no mentioning of agreeing to either.

Please PLEASE get your information correct before replying, it boils me when people don't.

Also, what specie happens to be superior? Please enlighten me.


By the way it may not be clear to you but the animals that are tested on only exist to be tested on, that is their sole purpose.
Youre one harsh piece of work if you dont want to find a cure for cancer, you make me physically sick.

I guess if they're breeded to be tested on it makes everything ok...right? [/sarcasm]

Where did you get that information from? Did she tell you that she didn't want cancer to be cured? Please do not insult members of Ditch The Label.

Your rudeness is replied with rudeness.

I do apologise if i cause any upset.

I am a firm believer in not harming/testing/killing/or any other form of abuse which may cause mental or physical damage, this is all in personal opinion.

[Ryan]

Gotta love the Debate section ;)

[Vampi]

Gotta love the Debate section ;)

I concur.

ninaYAYAxx, I disagree with you simply because I can.
BENNYxSTAR, I disagree with you because I disagree with your wife-y.
I can do this...because I am the Vampi. THE Vampi: check and mate.


My "brother" Ryan and I will sit on the outside and point and laugh. If anyone wants a chocolate, come and get one, I can only hope they're cruelty free <3


-Vampi


most.pointless.reply.EVA!
(gotta love DTL debates)

[Ryan]

I concur.

ninaYAYAxx, I disagree with you simply because I can.
BENNYxSTAR, I disagree with you because I disagree with your wife-y.
I can do this...because I am the Vampi. THE Vampi: check and mate.


My "brother" Ryan and I will sit on the outside and point and laugh. If anyone wants a chocolate, come and get one, I can only hope they're cruelty free <3


-Vampi


most.pointless.reply.EVA!
(gotta love DTL debates)

LOL I love you 8-)

[xxlandyxbuttxx]

will i think animal testing its really dumb and inhumane!! they should jst stop animal testing... cuz animals are different from us. and we might have different affects than they do!! they are helpless and they need our help!! so we should stop animal testing!! haha whose with me? we should like make a patition!! lolz i need help with that hmmm?? :] animals are cuuuuteee

[!Shining*Star!]

i think animal testing is horrible. If an animal is born it's purpose is to live. But scientists disrupt that and can cause serious harm to animals, eventually killing them.
has anyone read the book Hurt go happy by Ginny Rorby ? it is a great book. and it talks about animal testing.
anyway i think animal testing is really bad.
but their finding new ways for cures, for example STEM CELL. Unfortunately the US doesn't approve of it so if you want it you have to leave the states.
We talk about these things all the time in health class and some of my other classes as well.

[bwbachod]

I think that I have a pretty different viewpoint to many of the people here.

I do believe in animal testing for medical research.

I do not believe in animal testing for cosmetic purposes. I say this because I don't see cosmetics as an essential part of life and development, and there are companies which are perfectly able to produce good cosmetics without the use of animal testing.

I'm also a vegetarian.

However, I am a researcher, and I do use animals in my research. It isn't nice, it isn't pretty but it definitely is necessary. I think that unless you are involved in research there are a lot of misconceptions. The animals that are used are treated very well, and they are killed humanely. There really is no other way for this research to be carried out and computer models really would not suffice.

Like I said before, it isn't nice, I don't like doing it, but I do feel that it is necessary.

[DTL]

I. Hate. Anyone. Who. Dares. To. Test. On. Animals. PERIOD.

Seriously, if I had a shotgun I'd be going BOOM BOOM BOOM at them.
I mean, seriously? People think that they totally own the animal kingdom and that they can rule them and use them for our "benefits". Obviously they're going to have different reactions to the products than we are. Geez. People these days. Another thing that bothers me is when people say "You eat like an animal" WELL DUHHHH for those people:

humans > mammals > animals.

Anyone who tests on animals deserve to be shot.

[bwbachod]

Wow. Telling me that you want to shoot me, and that I actually deserve to be shot. That's really constructive of you, thanks.

[DTL]

Wow. Telling me that you want to shoot me, and that I actually deserve to be shot. That's really constructive of you, thanks.

oh so you would like to be tested on and possibly die from it just for the sake of someone else? i DONT think so. remember there was a time when we didnt even have any of these cosmetics and animals weren't being caged for tests.

[bwbachod]

This is silly. If you'd actually bothered to read my original post you would see that I don't agree with animal testing for cosmetics.

Do you take any medication? Ever? If so, it's almost certainly been tested on animals at some point. That is why, in my opinion, we need animal testing.

I don't mind you disagreeing with me, this is a debate forum after all, but I think that telling me that you want to shoot me really makes your argument a bit daft. Again, just my opinion though.